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mike1978 Jedi Knight


Joined: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 126 Location: Weymouth
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: how much should an ej20 engine turn by hand? |
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hi,
i`ve bought an ej20 engine and as i`ve never actually seen one in the flesh before, i`ve got a couple of questions!
i can only turn the engine by the pulley by about 12-13 degrees, then it comes to a stop - is this normal? i`ve taken the plugs out (which incidentally were jet black) and it makes no difference - it dosn`t clonk to a stop, but does feel like high compression.
i asked the guys who supplied the engine and they said it`d been tested fine, etc and would turn over on the starter.
i`m used to vw lawn mower engines to be honest so this is all new to me!
cheers,
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doppelganger Jedi Guardian


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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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you will need to put a socket on pully bolt to turn it  _________________ vwdrc class rep
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ElusiveStranger Darth Admin


Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2527 Location: Mudway, Kent
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| doppelganger wrote: | you will need to put a socket on pully bolt to turn it  |
Not with the plugs out you won't, or are you a pussy Mr Doppleganger Sir!?
Mike, try it with a wrench, but mine will turn by hand.
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doppelganger Jedi Guardian


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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:29 am Post subject: |
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never tried it with the plugs out  _________________ vwdrc class rep
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rjes Jedi Guardian

Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Posts: 652 Location: North Staffordshire
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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They often take both hands to turn ober without a wrench - don't forget there are a lot more valve springs in a 16V engine, which still have to be overcome with the plugs in or out _________________ Regards,
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mike1978 Jedi Knight


Joined: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 126 Location: Weymouth
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for replies guys - this is with a wrench on the pulley and plugs out, it is still the same - only turning about 12/13 degrees back and forth.
i`m not sure if i`m paranoid about doing all the work and then something being wrong with the engine. i did manage to turn it further at one point but it made a loud clicking noise as if teeth were slipping so i didn`t want to push it any further for fear of damaging the engine. i have been assured though that the engine `s been tested etc.
i`ve still got the timing belt connected by the way. |
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doppelganger Jedi Guardian


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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mike1978 wrote: | thanks for replies guys - this is with a wrench on the pulley and plugs out, it is still the same - only turning about 12/13 degrees back and forth.
i`m not sure if i`m paranoid about doing all the work and then something being wrong with the engine. i did manage to turn it further at one point but it made a loud clicking noise as if teeth were slipping so i didn`t want to push it any further for fear of damaging the engine. i have been assured though that the engine `s been tested etc.
i`ve still got the timing belt connected by the way. |
one way or another you need to find out so just turn it  _________________ vwdrc class rep
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mike1978 Jedi Knight


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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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right, i`m off out to the garage to have a good look at this.  |
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doppelganger Jedi Guardian


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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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well hurry up  _________________ vwdrc class rep
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mike1978 Jedi Knight


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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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give me time!!
well, i`m alot happier bunny now. it still was n`t turning properly, so i got a big breaker bar on the pulley nut - like you said, its going to have to turn one way or another. a couple of loud cracks and then it was turning freely like i expected it to in the first place.
my theory is that the engine may have been sitting a while with the oil drained and some valves perhaps were stuck together and the noise was them freeing up again.
anyway, i whizzed the valve covers off and everything is super clean under there and when i spin the engine all the valves etc moves as expected
thanks for teh help- i`m sure i`ll be back again asking more questions!
right, i`m off cleaning the casing and bolts up - what a great job!!
cheers,
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doppelganger Jedi Guardian


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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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cool,
those valve springs are stronger than you think as well  _________________ vwdrc class rep
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mike1978 Jedi Knight


Joined: 07 Feb 2008 Posts: 126 Location: Weymouth
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| i was thinking about this last night and i`m hoping that i haven`t snapped any rings - i don`t supppose ill know until i`ve got the engine in situ with the starter attached and can do a compression test. if any sides significantly down, i guess i`ll have to drop the engine and fit new rings. not what i wantd really! |
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