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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:51 pm    Post subject: wiring Reply with quote

Over half way through the pinouts on the ECU now. Begining to regret that I did not remove the engine from the Mondeo myself.

In fact I have never looked under the bonnet of a Mondeo. May be a slight weakness to the plan but I hope it is not a show stopper.

Missing the Ford plug/ wire tails which connect to the PATS ignition key ariel. Anybody got one lying about or know the order of the 4 pins?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:15 pm    Post subject: Spagetti? Reply with quote

Just spent a fun afternoon with a few wires for entertainment.

Chilli is looking a better option for tea as I have had enough spagetti for one day.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Bad Day Reply with quote

Not had a good day having spent a hour or so with the loom and wiring diagram it looks like I am on a looser.

When I bought the black top engine I got the ECU (ECC-V) keys and Pats transponder. However after further investigation it looks like the ECU needs the instrument cluster as well to operate. It apperars that the instrument cluster contains the Instrument Control Module. I never thought to keep the Dash as well. It appears The ICM is ECU specific and without it the engine will not run.

Anyone know this for sure?

Any way out or is Megasquirt the only option?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah thats a blow, I've been following this with interest as I did look at putting a zetec in mine, even bought the car stripped the engine out etc.

I really hope you get around this because I'm sure this'll be an ace conversion when done.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I am not sure all is lost yet and plan to resolve this. A friend of a friend has offered to lend me their Mondeo which they are about to strip for banger racing. All the banger guys run webber carb so dont need the ECU.

I plan to run the car an keep cutting wires behind the dash until stops and will not restart. This should resolve the problem.

I have now received email from people running both The EEC-IV and EEC-V ECU with no issues so it can be done. There ia a guy on the Locost forum who is running a Duratec on the Ford system. So if you can sort out one of these then the earlier ones must be a dodle.

What year is your Zetec?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just about finished mounting my Volvo S80 alternator so should have enough power to hand to charge both the car and leisure battery.

Think I may have missed a trick, Think I should have left the original alternator in place and installed second small alternator to charge the leisure battery.

Anyone tried this?

I suppose you can jump start a camper off the leisure battery if one goes flat!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about a donor Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JP
Good idea but it does not run either! I have got a drive full of non running projects! I think I will sort this one somehow.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I have decided to leave my ECU problems until the weekend where I can cut wires on a running Mondeo.

So I have spent the evening repositioning the alternator. I would refit where the original was but space is quite tight here and I would require another idler pulley. So that is another part to scrounge so I have decided to mount where the air con pump was. This is relatively easy but will make the engine mount a bit more complex. I have decided it is worth the effort as one of the forums claim the ford ecu is intelegent enough to run throttle bodies and mild cams without a remap. So why restrict yourself?

Here are a couple of picture of the repositioned alternator.

I understand if you want to run the the simple alternator crank and waterpump on a black top Zetec it can be done but you need a reverse water pump impeller from the States and they dont come cheap. Hence the alternative solution.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just spent the weekend stripping a friends Mondeo of all its wiring.

Wow these things are fully loaded even back in 1999. Still got enough coloured wires to wire up anything.

Ford are just great I have got two different looms now in various states of completeness and neither are the same but more worring neither match the wiring diagram.

Spent half the weekeng with a copy of Autodata and Ford TIS. All I can say is the ford TIS is the most confusing thing for wiring diagrams. Now wonder they can't fix your car at a main dealer if this is what they have to work with. Autodata is much better but sketchy in places.

I wave now stripped the loom to bare wires and traced most back to the ECU. Seems logical.

I am not convinced that you need the instrument control module as only one of my looms has the wires for it. I guess both car ran when new !


I guess it is to do with the ignition light in the dash which is a 12v led.

Here is my loom a couple of days ago.

Just started to break it down into the required wires.

I am encouraged the 2 people on the locost forum have Zetecs running on the standard ECU with PATS and without the dash. Fingers crossed

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got hold of a copy of Ford TIS where the wiring diagrams are a bit more detailed than Autodata.

I think I now understand how PATS works and have been told which wire is the key to the instrument control module. It appears that all pin 42 requires is a 12V LED wired in the right way round and the wires to the alarm system can be cut as they are not required. This makes things much easier I hope.

Then PATS is only 4 wires and it should tell the ECU to run if the correct key is present.

Just about finished the dummy loom. Fuel pump runs from a can!
Plan to add some water over the next couple of days and hope to be able to run the engine as a stand alone unit out of the van this weekend. Fingers crossed, what could possibly go wrong?!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fingers crossed buddy hope you suss it.

Where did you get your wiring diagrams from? I've been working off the Haynes ones which aren't the best, though I have just got an actual Escort TD manual and is miles better than the 2 Ford Diesel specific ones I already had.
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